The career was long, I made it to Sergeant Major, and I would not have traded a minute of it for anything in the world. I’m sure you made the right choice for you, though. You were exceptionally lucky to never have been forced into involuntary overtime. Thank you for your input. There are better things in life than working at a boring job. I had many different technical roles in my time, but construction industry was the longest stretch by far. I’m not quite senior since I don’t feel like I’m the sharpest tool in the box. or am I being reasonably feared? The terms meaningful work or fair work for a fair wage no longer exist. That’s what got me…). Joe, it sounds like pure burnout on your end, and I’m sure the engineering community is poorer without you around. My brother is a mechanic engineer at SpaceX and definitely puts in a ton of hours. All this has been very hard – but I wish he could find something he enjoyed so he can get in another 5-8 years of an actual enjoyable working experience where his skills are valued..I just don’t know if that exist anymore..it is very sad the human tool all this corporate cost-savings has had! Good luck! it’s been good to just do the technician level work and keep cashing the checks. These STEM (Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math) careers pay well and the world demands more engineers every day. If you only have a year left, maybe it’s better to grind it out. The last few semesters have been extremely challenging and found myself completely sick of the curriculum, subject matter and mental academic gymnastics. That’s $57k in today’s dollars. Many of my friends work for consultants and work nights, weekends, or whatever it takes. Read the whole story on the About Page, See our Real Estate Crowdfunding investment, Track Your Money for Free with Personal Capital, How to Start Investing in Dividend Stocks, Disclosure: All content on this site is for informational purposes only and does not constitute professional financial advice. In my previous 2 jobs, I was working solonor duo on systems that required my ability to do hardware, software, analog, RF/microwave, and power. The defense industry has become highly aggressive (as most defense jobs are immune from competition from H-1B candidates) and the management exploits this fact. The comments on this post are excellent too. I’m going to major in ECE this upcoming fall and after reading your article and other things online I’m starting to get worried. You might need to move to California if you are looking for an engineering job. More and more on a daily basis it feels like I took the wrong turn 8years ago when I had to chose between Medicine and Engineering. Hey, it’s Randy, the *Denny Downer* of engineering careers. I don’t miss programming, designing, debugging, or any other engineering tasks. Don’t stay in a situation that you don’t like. So it feels hard to be motivated to finish this degree when I don’t enjoy any of it so far and don’t think I will enjoy it in the future except only when I do SolidWorks or 3-D modeling which I find very unlikely to happen. all defense companies w/in 200 miles have had layoffs this year and Lockheed has cut workers (around 70% to 85% over 40 years old) FOUR years in a row! Think about Bell Labs (a.k.a Lucent Technologies) prior to 1995, where they were dubbed the ‘best industrial R&D center outside of a being at a prestigious national lab’, and then a decade later … where 70% were right-sized by layouts and then, reorganized (plus added layoffs) by Alcatel. I’m seriously considering getting out altogether because this same scenario has happened to me too many times in a row. The only folks that make it out of IT with something to show for it are the Jobs, Gates, and Zuckerburgs of the world, as you will work your fingers to the bone to make the shareholders rich, and at the end of the day, be tossed to the side as a non-producer(remember all those reports and budgets they want you to do). I fall into the latter category, where work is what enables me to find success in my personal life. The politics, stress, corporate silos(90 employees down from over 200), managers who did not really understand the technology and were afraid answering questions without consulting with a team of other managers kind of drug me down. What changed it for me was when I used my experience and education (Masters in business) and formed my own technical services company. RB40, I am a young engineer working in the semiconductor industry. I’m sorry to hear that. In my first few years of my career, I have been working about 46-50 hours a week on a large number of projects for a big firm. Unfortunately, a lot of factors really turned me against it. I know that the role is something that I could be great at , but it’s not what I want to do. Engineering is a great career that pays well, but it might not be the right fit for everyone. If you like the leadership role, then that’s great. Stories like this are why I’m saving as much as I can now. I’ve experienced this over and over. I worked for over 10yrs in two companies. Your email address will not be published. Fortunately, it worked out even better than I imagined. Most engineers are very resourceful and I’m sure they can function even without an engineering job. I have made it a year here and the potential looks good. PA sounds like a good career too. I now work for the Department of Veterans Affairs as a Training Specialist and absolutely love it. ... Mahjabeen Fatima, Raima Naz, Hina Ahmed and Anam Zakir of Sir Syed University of Engineering and Technology had made a superficial henna hand decoration. I think that good managers who thrive are those that have mental health /counseling /psychiatry training. It seems like more and more companies simply want you to wear a dozen hats. Would like to add an update to my comment above. Remember that it can be the job itself, that you are not fit for that kind of engineering job. There is a fair amount of pressure but not constantly (only close to release deadlines) and my team (and boss) do not expect me to clock in hours on weekend so ideally I shouldn’t have anything to complain about and should be thankful for where I am at. I do like computers, but 50-60 hour work weeks is a ton of hours. I choose what projects to work on and let the market decide what my time is worth. The CPU is getting more and more complicated and the budget couldn’t keep up. Cheers. (I changed jobs a few times, but stayed within the same expertise until about 3 years before I retired. Around half of those who got no raises were the same people as the prior year, but many were not, so around 30% of the workers at some point got shafted. The engineering group was small and still very “family” oriented. It sure doesn’t sound like they’re burning out or wanting to leave! That’s horrible! I have been working too in an IT company for past 2 years 10 months..yes not long time as yours..but i had started to feel the shiver 1 year back itself. I wish I had the opportunities you did, I am currently a freshman in College and am pursuing a software engineering degree. ... Mahjabeen Fatima, Raima Naz, Hina Ahmed and Anam Zakir of Sir Syed University of Engineering and Technology had made a superficial henna hand decoration. my 2 good friends (husband and wife team) still work at an intel portland campus and work their tails off. I have strong speaking skills and would be more than happy if my whole day were to be filled with meetings, presentations, etc. Have you started school? A sabbatical would be great to get your head straight. A lot of people retire early with rentals. I would rather figure out a problem than pay attention to the finances. If you don’t make it in 15 years, then get out and find something else to do. And a principal should be charging $500 per hour or more. I’m no slacker (my boss even said so) but I was starting to get fried from all the stress and pressure (every single day was approx 10 hours (lunch not included) since I started there). The fact that I was a casualty of the 2008 crisis (6 of those eight jobs were in the last 6 years) has made me more cautious and paranoid. Almost nobody under 40 was laid off. Joy. But man, am I envious. Working as an developer for an ERP company, new boss arrived about 1-2 year aago from an bigger three letter ERP company. I know some guys who are going into management and I think they came to the same conclusion you did – engineering just wasn’t fun or rewarding anymore, or found their calling. Preparing for a job interview is already stressful. Volker Sick. I have some planning of mainframe to open systems migration of my application, but I hesitate to call it planning because I am getting some new job request every couple of hours that I have to code NOW. Thanks for sharing your story. This kind of skill will be much more appreciated in a smaller company. “How can leaders be better mentors-of-the-moment and create a mentoring culture? That’s unfortunate. Therefore, just because Intel did you wrong does not mean you should give the notion of working for Corporate America the middle finger. I obligated numerous projects and helped their HSIP thrive. So… you either plan for your early “retirement”, struggle because you didn’t, or change careers altogether. Joining Intel as senior engineer, these requirements hit immediately, where I desperately tried to meet unreal expectations as newbie employee, in tasks I felt neither able nor willing to engage. They do help with tuition reimbursement, too. I can definitely respect RB40’s decision to move on. ), no one would ever call us “retired” until my husband does so. It was a huge shift going from high school to university. However, I don’t know what to do after that. The craze for programming and IT field seems to be gone now for me. Wow! You have to make the most of your life! I have been in Engineering all my working life, over 30 years. Or be a section manager we’re only job is to make schedule for others.. Also not feeling adventurous to switch company as never know what’s there, what’s politics waiting.. hhaah So just thinking to stay this job for 5 more years so have some decent investment with dividend earning. Why did you have so many career change? My experience is that smaller companies typically treat employees better, despite lower pay and benefits. Sitting at a desk from 8-5, and an occasional unpaid weekend (benefits of salary exempt) are no longer appealing to me. I received my MSEE in 1999 and by this time few companies would even pay partial tuition reimbursement. I’ll tell my brother to look into it. I am working part time right now on a retail store ( not IT ), so not to get bored. Going after that 'Employee of the Year' honor might not be worth it. That being the case, I myself am looking for another field of work to branch out. I’ve been seeking security through working more, but that’s not the answer. But I can’t strongly assert enough that potential engineers entering college really study their potential industry, the trade offs of being an engineer (good pay and benefits, fascinating work and problems, bad job security in some fields, and definitely bad environments for your health overall). Doesn’t look very promising from what I’ve read here and elsewhere on the internet. Then just find a part time to cover monthly cost as I won’t have to invest anymore. Otherwise, you will be subject to the ebbs and flows of consulting work and it will be hard to get into a so-called comfort zone. I wish I did that. Got to agree with brian. Engineers who left the field still do just fine so there is life after engineering. Lots of people change career, find a different job, and do other things with their life. The next few years might be a little risky. Its for fun only so please do not go offensive in here! Seems like long hours in the beginning are the norm for both. Our son, RB40Jr, is only in 3rd grade, but it looks like he’ll be good with math. (I don’t even know what it was.) It’s great that your career is working out for you. That’s not enough when, My area of expertise (DRAM) moved to a different site, and we did not want to relocate just for this. However, the timing just was never right. I noticed what happened to senior engineers at IBM, and felt disgusted at how they were treated — they would train young/fresh engineers who are usually contractors, the senior would be laid-off, and the new engineer would have to be a contractor for years and years before even being considered for full time hire. SICK intelligently and reliably solves industry-specific and individual automation tasks. This semester I ended up taking 19 credits of senior level design courses and the projects were time consuming and intense. Experienced people out here ,please do suggest some ideas how to get out of this loop. Why is getting a job so dumb? I am sorry if this question has already been asked, but what are you doing now for work? Financial world vs the engineering world. Find a good mentor and you’ll get a lot of help. A lot of jobs are going oversea. In fact, they’re rather have those kinds of ppl fired (sorry, my bad … make that rightsized) . I’m concerned I only got into engineering in hopes of doing stuff like that, but I have only briefly done stuff with that in college and everything else I don’t enjoy very much and struggle with at times. I am a consulting engineer specializing in structural glass for buildings, and a started my own practice two years ago. So anyways, I’ve been looking at a total career change, possibly a blue collar job. Working in central engineering you get 50-80% travel as normal, and I don’t mean on a 5 day week basis but 7 days. Btw. They can be a lot of work, though. If your team fails you will be under scrutiny even if you didn’t had any influence on the bad decisions made by your team leaders. On the surface, it may appear that pharmacy is another adjunct health care field, kinda like the ‘pill dispensing’ version of a nurse but it isn’t. Good luck with the healthcare field. Upper management should be the most understanding of this short term “it’s just business” mindset. It’s not glamorous and it wasn’t what he did as a full time job. See if you’re really near the bottom. I consider myself semi-retired because I take 4-6 months off every year. I’m 40 right now and can definitely see myself writing code until i’m dead. How do you keep a positive outlook to take you to self employment eventually. And thus, no clinic would want to see such a person go away. A company making retirement software drilled my coworkers in interviews – and that company doesn’t even pay well (their ad encourages H1 visa holders to apply and advertises a $45k salary at the low end of the range). Defense is probably close to aerospace on this one. Just two things: The key to solving this problem is to monitor your activities and check which ones are making you stressed. I no longer care for it, actually I hate it and every time I hear any IT slang it makes me cringe. Most of my engineer friends from college are still working for a corporation, but none of them are doing the technical work. The blog post is titled “Top-10 Reasons You Should Never Get a Job” and it is by Steve Pavlina, author of “Personal Development for Smart People”, http://www.stevepavlina.com/blog/2006/07/10-reasons-you-should-never-get-a-job/. I can strongly relate to this one. I probably should have left 5 years earlier to join a small company. Loved computers as a kid, so I worked hard through my engineering degrees and got a good job. Thank you for updating this. Also I forgot to mention I will have to serve in the military if I give up on the engineering grad school (that’s how it works in Korea. I feel so similar as a former ME and now stay-at-home dad. I probably should have moved to the Bay Area when I was young. You’re still young. Usually, you take general classes in the freshman year anyway. They literally “rank” the employees from 1 to xxx in each pay level. Don’t quit now because you never know how it’s going to turn out. I am also going back and forth on this too because I’m not sure I would like a sedentary job as he mentioned, I would like to be able to work with my hands too and work on stuff with physical results I can see. Engineering is an in-demand field. I was ready to move on from engineering so I didn’t put a lot of effort into making it work. I am still behind because the 40% drop in home value is many years of stressful paychecks evaporated However knowing that I am rightside-up and most Americans are not gives me some encouragement. My wife has been the stay at home mom and her fulltime earning potential is only 1/5th my current salary. Ah, good times. Regarding rental units I don’t see them as a vehicle for retirement. Do you have an update? I have got a good job offer in a new good company but its all the way across country from where we live. When I first started, my Engineering job was only intended to be a starting point so I could figure out what I really want to do (And I have figured it out at this point). When I had the right manager who know what I could do, it was fine. So once again, why are ppl still studying engineering? Now today : I love to work with simple things, I could enjouy myself to my death with an AVR : creativity never ends. Bill Gates, Jeff Bezos, Mark Cuban, Zuckerburg. Good luck! If you really love the technical aspect and want to somehow continue down that path, one option is to start your own company as somebody else suggested. Even though we save a lot and are in a good financial position (hence, why I started reading your blog for tips! . Elizabeth Cronise McLaughlin is an ex-Wall Street lawyer, executive coach, and the CEO and Executive Director of The Gaia Project for Women's Leadership. Hahaha, that is pretty funny. Welcome to the first … You have to get OT, if the clinic needs you and you have a salaried ~$90K/yr income, thus not hourly (for PAs, hourly workers have no time and a half for OT). Calling all engineers who are looking for a change….we have an exciting new high school in the Austin, TX area and are looking for someone to teach intro to engineering classes…please reach out via email if you are interested in changing students lives for the better and sharing your wealth of knowledge with our youth! However, engineering was not the right fit for me anymore. I know that I’m now becoming a broken record on the whole health care (specifically physician assistant [PA]) vs engineering careers but here’s another factoid … do a job search and look for part-time PA jobs. I was frugal and saved enough to last 2 years working on a passion project but realized later it wasn’t feasible, especially when software is not something I enjoy much, I do it because it comes with the territory of engineering. We build new things. That’s another reason why I don’t like the corporate world. I’ve been working 3 years as an engineer in computer hardware (servers) and see the writing on the wall. I was a software engineer, now a manager. You can travel, have fun with friends, and do things to lessen the stress. A little more than 2/3 of the engineers were Americans and the rest were foreigners, largely Chinese and Indians. Save up and work part time at something you like. Health insurance costs quickly rule me out of being close to retirement. “This whole gig based engineering thing aerospace ” What is the motivation behind this? My husband got promoted out of his technical job without even being interested or consulted. Lots of companies (at least in my field of software engineering) say there is a career path for engineers that don’t want to go into management. Why engineers should plan for an early retirement. In all honesty, I don’t think engineering has been lucrative since the 70s. My husband is in the military, and due to us moving so much plus our two kids who need more stability than I could give them if I were working, too, I suppose I “retired” when the first one was born. I was pretty sure we’d be fine financially because I did the calculation. Life is short….. it only becomes more evident every passing year. Seriously, how many engineers who’re not dean’s list with a relevant internship/CO-OP find a job anyways? But memory is one of the easiest subsystems to understand. Perhaps you can take a year off to figure out what you want to do. I think you’re right about pharmacist. Except we have not invested in a way I could retire at 45 and still eat, not to mention raise the kids for about 12 more years and put them through college. Ask how you got into this field in the first place, which I assume was because you liked computers/coding and wanted to turn an interest into an occupation. It was a perfect storm for bigotry and racism. I hope things go well with you as you will go through many transitions soon. I am not a good multiplier. Humans weren’t designed to work like that, no matter how attractive the salary is. If things don’t work out, then you can try graduate school. They can be generalists and make a living. Well, I jumped between construction engineering, physics, commercial law and pharmacy. However, soon the working relationships became … disheartening. Do you enjoy it (considerably more)? Money is nice, but it’s much better to enjoy life with as little stress as possible. I don’t think I’m cut out to be a manager, though (I’ve only led small 3-5 person groups). Good luck! I make a little money with my blog. I don’t know what I’ll be doing in my 40s and 50s but I may well find myself feeling the same way you did! Good problem solving skills was what drove me to engineering but I knew even during my Uni days that to really make it as an engineer is more about the soft skills. I worked for Computer Computer in Singapore from 1989 to 1993 as an Industrial Engineer. It is a high stress job with little flexibility and constant demand for after hours work that is not sustainable. If you can’t get a C, then might as well take the time off to figure out what to do next. But I’ve also been a long time reader and have thought about what you and a lot of others go through in their late 30s and early 40s after being promoted to management. My mom is struggling with dementia. Makeupgirl, I feel like I could have written your exact post. 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